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Jul 3rd, 2008 | By admin | Category: Latest, The Game, non-league
In West Yorkshire, a name from the past is stirring, and it isn’t doing it in a terribly dignified manner. Bradford Park Avenue, the subjects of a fond article on here before, have starting flexing their financial muscles and have already managed get themselves instated as the favourites for this season’s Unibond League Premier Division championship, and now their millionaire chairman has announced plans to build a 20,000 seater stadium for them. Never mind the fact that Bradford’s average crowds haven’t yet risen above 500 people for home matches. Never mind the fact that their considerably bigger rivals, Bradford City, only required a capacity of a shade over 20,000 when they were in the Premier League. Never mind that the original Bradford Park Avenue collapsed in the early 1970s thanks to a lack of local interest with crowds in their final season in the Northern Premier League in 1973/74 seldom reaching more than 600. Their millionaire chairman, Bob Blackburn, has decided that they deserve a 20,000 capacity stadium, so they will have it - and he’s a millionaire, so he must be right, mustn’t he? Well, Bradford supporters are getting very excited about the possibility of their team challenging for the place in the Football League that the original club lost in 1970, but a cautionary tale from just the other side of the Pennines might just persuade their supporters to approach the future with a somewhat less devil may care attitude than they are currently exhibiting. That example is Colne Dynamoes - probably the most famous boom and bust club of all.

Colne’s story probably couldn’t be more cautionary, and it is a story that mirrors what could yet go wrong for the green and white half of Bradford. Dynamoes were founded in 1963 in the small Lancashire town near Burnley, and for more than twenty of their twenty-seven year long existence, they led a fairly meagre existence, making steady progress through the amateur leagues of Lancashire and into the Lancashire Combination in 1975. Expansion of the North West Counties League in 1982 allowed them to progress in a more senior level of the game, and by the middle of the 1980s they were starting to spend money. The money belonged to manager/chairman Graham White, who had made a fortune from timber and property, and it all went on the team. In 1988 they won the FA Vase, beating Yorkshire club Emley 1-0 at Wembley, and it was at this point that the spending went out of control. Promoted into the First Division of the Northern Premier League, they started spending more than many lower division Football League clubs could afford on players (former Liverpool and England international Alan Kennedy was the most stellar member of a new, full-time team) and won promotion to the Premier Division at the first attempt, suffering just one league defeat all season.

The following season, in spite of more outstanding appearances on the pitch (they reached the semi-final of the FA Trophy and won the NPL Premier Division championship and a place in the Conference, losing just four league matches all season and finishing twenty-six points clear of second placed Gateshead), the cracks were beginning to show. Unbeknownst to anyone at Holt House, White had recently unsuccessfully attempted to buy Burnley but, whilst crowds had swollen to an average of over 1,000, all of the money was going into spending wages (effectively money down the drain) and none of it was going into the infrastructure of the club itself. Colne’s promotion into the Conference was a classic case of too much too soon, but White seemed practically paralysed by the sudden jump up. Holt House, with only a couple of hundred seats and a capacity of just 2,500, was never going to be up to Conference standard, and the club was barred from promotion.

What happened next is open to speculation. We know that White offered Burnley £500,000 to ground-share at Turf Moor, a ridiculous amount of money, and that he then unveiled plan to build a new stadium for the club in the nearby town of Nelson (ironically, the club’s commercial manager during this period, the former Burnley player Paul Fletcher, went on to become one of this country’s leading stadium project managers, overseeing the construction of Huddersfield Town’s Galpharm Stadium and Coventry City’s Ricoh Arena). After this, though, it’s something of a mystery. What we know for sure is that the money seems to have very suddenly run out. The team played a pre-season friendly against Newcastle Blue Star, and after this White called the players in and told them that there was, simply, no more money and that the club was folding - they didn’t even start the competitive 1990/91 season. Holt House survived. It was used by Colne Royal British Legion FC until they in turn folded and a new club, Colne FC, was founded. Colne FC have risen to the First Division of the North West Counties League and made the semi-final of the FA Vase in 2004.

So, Bradford Park Avenue’s supporters will be looking forward to this coming season with extraordinary optimism. However, the question of why Bradford Park Avenue of the Unibond League Premier Division need a 20,000 capacity stadium has not, to my eyes, been satisfactorily answered (short of some vague marketing guff about containing the word “ambition” repeated several times over), and the twin pressures of trying to fund this and spending a lot of money on players (which they have also been doing - you don’t find yourselves installed as favourites to win a league that you have only just been promoted into for no reason, you know) could well, no matter how good or bad the intentions of Bob Blackburn are, turn out to be a castle built on sand.

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Chris Taylor July 4th, 2008 11:26 pm :

The BPA fans I’ve chatted to don’t seem to care at all that Bob Blackburn is putting the future of their club in danger. Their opinion seems to be that if the club goers bust they’ll just rebuild it from the bottom again, but the memories of buying promotion after promotion can never be taken away fro them. Which is thick, but up to them of course.

Blackburn, a man who I have very little time for both as a representative of BPA and as a person, seems to be counting on this ‘league football in five years’ pledge he made. Certainly there’s no way they can support their current spending in the non league. But you’ll excuse me for not losing any sleep over it either way.

By the way, it’s a 20,000 *minimum* capacity stadium. As pointed out in the rather excellent Boston United fanzine, impsTALK, that’s about 100 seats per fan.
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Jul 3rd, 2008 | By admin | Category: Latest, The Game, non-league
In West Yorkshire, a name from the past is stirring, and it isn’t doing it in a terribly dignified manner. Bradford Park Avenue, the subjects of a fond article on here before, have starting flexing their financial muscles and have already managed get themselves instated as the favourites for this season’s Unibond League Premier Division championship, and now their millionaire chairman has announced plans to build a 20,000 seater stadium for them. Never mind the fact that Bradford’s average crowds haven’t yet risen above 500 people for home matches. Never mind the fact that their considerably bigger rivals, Bradford City, only required a capacity of a shade over 20,000 when they were in the Premier League. Never mind that the original Bradford Park Avenue collapsed in the early 1970s thanks to a lack of local interest with crowds in their final season in the Northern Premier League in 1973/74 seldom reaching more than 600. Their millionaire chairman, Bob Blackburn, has decided that they deserve a 20,000 capacity stadium, so they will have it - and he’s a millionaire, so he must be right, mustn’t he? Well, Bradford supporters are getting very excited about the possibility of their team challenging for the place in the Football League that the original club lost in 1970, but a cautionary tale from just the other side of the Pennines might just persuade their supporters to approach the future with a somewhat less devil may care attitude than they are currently exhibiting. That example is Colne Dynamoes - probably the most famous boom and bust club of all.

Colne’s story probably couldn’t be more cautionary, and it is a story that mirrors what could yet go wrong for the green and white half of Bradford. Dynamoes were founded in 1963 in the small Lancashire town near Burnley, and for more than twenty of their twenty-seven year long existence, they led a fairly meagre existence, making steady progress through the amateur leagues of Lancashire and into the Lancashire Combination in 1975. Expansion of the North West Counties League in 1982 allowed them to progress in a more senior level of the game, and by the middle of the 1980s they were starting to spend money. The money belonged to manager/chairman Graham White, who had made a fortune from timber and property, and it all went on the team. In 1988 they won the FA Vase, beating Yorkshire club Emley 1-0 at Wembley, and it was at this point that the spending went out of control. Promoted into the First Division of the Northern Premier League, they started spending more than many lower division Football League clubs could afford on players (former Liverpool and England international Alan Kennedy was the most stellar member of a new, full-time team) and won promotion to the Premier Division at the first attempt, suffering just one league defeat all season.

The following season, in spite of more outstanding appearances on the pitch (they reached the semi-final of the FA Trophy and won the NPL Premier Division championship and a place in the Conference, losing just four league matches all season and finishing twenty-six points clear of second placed Gateshead), the cracks were beginning to show. Unbeknownst to anyone at Holt House, White had recently unsuccessfully attempted to buy Burnley but, whilst crowds had swollen to an average of over 1,000, all of the money was going into spending wages (effectively money down the drain) and none of it was going into the infrastructure of the club itself. Colne’s promotion into the Conference was a classic case of too much too soon, but White seemed practically paralysed by the sudden jump up. Holt House, with only a couple of hundred seats and a capacity of just 2,500, was never going to be up to Conference standard, and the club was barred from promotion.

What happened next is open to speculation. We know that White offered Burnley £500,000 to ground-share at Turf Moor, a ridiculous amount of money, and that he then unveiled plan to build a new stadium for the club in the nearby town of Nelson (ironically, the club’s commercial manager during this period, the former Burnley player Paul Fletcher, went on to become one of this country’s leading stadium project managers, overseeing the construction of Huddersfield Town’s Galpharm Stadium and Coventry City’s Ricoh Arena). After this, though, it’s something of a mystery. What we know for sure is that the money seems to have very suddenly run out. The team played a pre-season friendly against Newcastle Blue Star, and after this White called the players in and told them that there was, simply, no more money and that the club was folding - they didn’t even start the competitive 1990/91 season. Holt House survived. It was used by Colne Royal British Legion FC until they in turn folded and a new club, Colne FC, was founded. Colne FC have risen to the First Division of the North West Counties League and made the semi-final of the FA Vase in 2004.

So, Bradford Park Avenue’s supporters will be looking forward to this coming season with extraordinary optimism. However, the question of why Bradford Park Avenue of the Unibond League Premier Division need a 20,000 capacity stadium has not, to my eyes, been satisfactorily answered (short of some vague marketing guff about containing the word “ambition” repeated several times over), and the twin pressures of trying to fund this and spending a lot of money on players (which they have also been doing - you don’t find yourselves installed as favourites to win a league that you have only just been promoted into for no reason, you know) could well, no matter how good or bad the intentions of Bob Blackburn are, turn out to be a castle built on sand.

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Chris Taylor July 4th, 2008 11:26 pm :

The BPA fans I’ve chatted to don’t seem to care at all that Bob Blackburn is putting the future of their club in danger. Their opinion seems to be that if the club goers bust they’ll just rebuild it from the bottom again, but the memories of buying promotion after promotion can never be taken away fro them. Which is thick, but up to them of course.

Blackburn, a man who I have very little time for both as a representative of BPA and as a person, seems to be counting on this ‘league football in five years’ pledge he made. Certainly there’s no way they can support their current spending in the non league. But you’ll excuse me for not losing any sleep over it either way.

By the way, it’s a 20,000 *minimum* capacity stadium. As pointed out in the rather excellent Boston United fanzine, impsTALK, that’s about 100 seats per fan.

I'm sure BB will say "ARSED". laugh.gif


moonchester
i'm sure bob might actually say that there are so many inaccuracies in both the original article, the subsequent comment and the impstalk "article" that there isn't really much point in taking it seriously.

ah well. football eh?
Jez
Total bollocks tongue.gif
Soccerates
Who cares! without BB the long term future was in the league we just got out of.

Where was the original article from?
peterlorimer
QUOTE (Soccerates @ Jul 10 2008, 09:24 AM)
Who cares! without BB the long term future was in the league we just got out of.

Where was the original article from?

FFS why are these people so bloody jealous of a former league club who are trying like hell to get back in the league ? some of these people were laughing like hell when avenue went out of the league in 1970 . Soon the old saying he who laughs last ............. up the avenue!
ackworth avenue
I didn't see any one complaining about spending money when we were in Conference North and were being outgunned by big spenders when we didn't have two pennies to rub together. I hope we stick it right up these whingers and do it again this season. Up the Avenue!
Bluenose
As a neutral I found that article very interesting reading. The responses of people here are very alarming simply for the fact that they didn't address any of the issues that the article brought up. I feel BPA supporters are burying their heads in the sands. How can BPA maintain the rise up the leagues with the paltry amount of support they are going to be getting from the local community ? BB,s pockets are only so long, and even he won't be able subsidise BPA for too long. When the well dries up the club will sink.
ackworth avenue
Oi Bluenose, If we end up in the Football League great! If we end up in Unibond First Div again well what have we lost? I will still follow them home and away but while things are on the up i will enjoy myself and all the moaning minnies who are seething with envy at other clubs can go and do one. I am not interested in what they think. I am sure that all these other Unibond League Supporters would tell a millionaire who wanted to invest in their club to get lost. I think not. Bob Blackburn has been the best thing to happen to this club for years, we were going nowhere before he came here. We have had more exposure in the Press and local community in the last 12 months than since god knows when. So to whoever it may concern, mind your own business leave us alone and let us enjoy the ride!
tonygreaves
The facts in the article about Colne Dynamoes are basically accurate. I was present at Colne Town Hall when the successful Vase-winning team came up the packed main street on top of a bus for a civic reception, and was involved with mcuh of the discussion between the club and the Council.

One of the real mistakes that was made was not to make sure that there was a ground that the Conference would accept before getting promotion. By the time of the rather panicky effort to build a new ground there simply was not the time to do it. There was no acceptable site in Colne at the time and there was not the time to build a new ground on the Nelson site even if Pendle Council would give permission to use the land (it's Council playing fields) and if planning permission could be obtained. Both were possible but not certain - there was local opposition in the neighbouring estate.

There is no secret about the collapse of the club. Graham White's money was largely in property and it was the time of the collapse in property prices. He simply could not afford to continue to bankroll the club. The Holt House "stadium" was handed over to the Council for local use and, as the article points out, is now being used by Colne FC who have been making modest progress.

I would say that the important thing for the Park Avenue club is to get facilities built in advance of further progress, which seems to be planned.

No-one can guarantee against the bankroller of a project not going on with it for whatever reason. But if I were closely involved with the Park Avenue club I would want to suggest some guarantees about future use of the ground and facilities in the longer term. I would hope that the present-day boss and benefactor would be looking to providing a legacy for the future: something that clearly did not happen here in Colne.

Tony Greaves
christiansinclair
QUOTE (Bluenose @ Jul 10 2008, 01:02 PM)
As a neutral I found that article very interesting reading. The responses of people here are very alarming simply for the fact that they didn't address any of the issues that the article brought up. I feel BPA supporters are burying their heads in the sands. How can BPA maintain the rise up the leagues with the paltry amount of support they are going to be getting from the local community ? BB,s pockets are only so long, and even he won't be able subsidise BPA for too long. When the well dries up the club will sink.

Attendance wise, Avenue have massive potential due to the size of Bradford itself. We proved last season that over 1000 people are willing to coem watch us and I remember having a game where the attendance was just over 600 and it wasn't a free ticket game so they all paid. 20,000 seater stadium is something i think was just said to impress the media, IMHO I expect the new stadium to be somewhere in the region of 6,000 capacity with room for expansion. The bottom line is, Avenue is a sleeping giant that's looks liek its waking up.
ackworth avenue
Spot on there Christian, i couldn't agree more.
Billy the Bantam
There isn't too many seasons of progress left in Horsfall? Two at the most? Then what? Surely Phoenix Park will be nowhere near ready in two years time. Any money spent upgrading Horsfall in the mean time is all dead money.

Not a dig just valid questions. I hope your move to Phoenix park comes off and I certainly hope that one day Bradford can boast two league teams once again. Progress on the pitch for you lot suggests that it could become reality and soon. Ground issues on the other hand could hinder that
Jez
QUOTE (tonygreaves @ Jul 10 2008, 01:36 PM)
I would say that the important thing for the Park Avenue club is to get facilities built in advance of further progress, which seems to be planned.


Bob seems to me obsessed with getting the foundation right, as he should be.

The ground is in super nick and he has worked hard on improving the shop/bar/food bar etc and has pulled in an average support of over 500(somethin the prat who wrote that article could have accurately found out if he had spent 2 minutes researching his article).

Don't forget prior to Bob coming on board we had already come of the back of three seasons of serious decline due to the previous but 1 regime over spending on players and not significantly improving the clubs profile or infrastructure and having pie in the sky idea's of a return to the football league on crowds of 200 paying £30 a game, so we've been there before ourselves, the author gives us no credit for this.

And we are not colne and Bob is not Graham White.
theprisoner
But Graham White got into trouble with Colne because his money was in property and the market collapsed, and Bob's money is in building and we are facing a recession, particularly in building so there could be a similarity there.
Slater
QUOTE (theprisoner @ Jul 10 2008, 04:36 PM)
But Graham White got into trouble with Colne because his money was in property and the market collapsed, and Bob's money is in building and we are facing a recession, particularly in building so there could be a similarity there.

and..................................

Bob Blackburn is NOT Graham White FACT
Bradford (Park Avenue) are NOT Colne Dynamos FACT

Here's a similarity for you

Jesus was born on Christmas day
I was born on Christmas day

and...............................
The Irish Rover
QUOTE (Slater @ Jul 10 2008, 05:17 PM)
QUOTE (theprisoner @ Jul 10 2008, 04:36 PM)
But Graham White got into trouble with Colne because his money was in property and the market collapsed, and Bob's money is in building and we are facing a recession, particularly in building so there could be a similarity there.

and..................................

Bob Blackburn is NOT Graham White FACT
Bradford (Park Avenue) are NOT Colne Dynamos FACT

Here's a similarity for you

Jesus was born on Christmas day
I was born on Christmas day

and...............................

you ARE Jesus and i claim my £5! laugh.gif
theprisoner
Slater, I suspect that when people say "Jesus Christ" to you that it is probably an utterance of despair rather than a case of mistaken identity. You seem to be making the mistake of comparing a possible similarity with an unlikely coincidence.
THE GENERAL
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Jul 3rd, 2008 | By admin | Category: Latest, The Game, non-league
In West Yorkshire, a name from the past is stirring, and it isn’t doing it in a terribly dignified manner. Bradford Park Avenue, the subjects of a fond article on here before, have starting flexing their financial muscles and have already managed get themselves instated as the favourites for this season’s Unibond League Premier Division championship, and now their millionaire chairman has announced plans to build a 20,000 seater stadium for them. Never mind the fact that Bradford’s average crowds haven’t yet risen above 500 people for home matches. Never mind the fact that their considerably bigger rivals, Bradford City, only required a capacity of a shade over 20,000 when they were in the Premier League. Never mind that the original Bradford Park Avenue collapsed in the early 1970s thanks to a lack of local interest with crowds in their final season in the Northern Premier League in 1973/74 seldom reaching more than 600. Their millionaire chairman, Bob Blackburn, has decided that they deserve a 20,000 capacity stadium, so they will have it - and he’s a millionaire, so he must be right, mustn’t he? Well, Bradford supporters are getting very excited about the possibility of their team challenging for the place in the Football League that the original club lost in 1970, but a cautionary tale from just the other side of the Pennines might just persuade their supporters to approach the future with a somewhat less devil may care attitude than they are currently exhibiting. That example is Colne Dynamoes - probably the most famous boom and bust club of all.

Colne’s story probably couldn’t be more cautionary, and it is a story that mirrors what could yet go wrong for the green and white half of Bradford. Dynamoes were founded in 1963 in the small Lancashire town near Burnley, and for more than twenty of their twenty-seven year long existence, they led a fairly meagre existence, making steady progress through the amateur leagues of Lancashire and into the Lancashire Combination in 1975. Expansion of the North West Counties League in 1982 allowed them to progress in a more senior level of the game, and by the middle of the 1980s they were starting to spend money. The money belonged to manager/chairman Graham White, who had made a fortune from timber and property, and it all went on the team. In 1988 they won the FA Vase, beating Yorkshire club Emley 1-0 at Wembley, and it was at this point that the spending went out of control. Promoted into the First Division of the Northern Premier League, they started spending more than many lower division Football League clubs could afford on players (former Liverpool and England international Alan Kennedy was the most stellar member of a new, full-time team) and won promotion to the Premier Division at the first attempt, suffering just one league defeat all season.

The following season, in spite of more outstanding appearances on the pitch (they reached the semi-final of the FA Trophy and won the NPL Premier Division championship and a place in the Conference, losing just four league matches all season and finishing twenty-six points clear of second placed Gateshead), the cracks were beginning to show. Unbeknownst to anyone at Holt House, White had recently unsuccessfully attempted to buy Burnley but, whilst crowds had swollen to an average of over 1,000, all of the money was going into spending wages (effectively money down the drain) and none of it was going into the infrastructure of the club itself. Colne’s promotion into the Conference was a classic case of too much too soon, but White seemed practically paralysed by the sudden jump up. Holt House, with only a couple of hundred seats and a capacity of just 2,500, was never going to be up to Conference standard, and the club was barred from promotion.

What happened next is open to speculation. We know that White offered Burnley £500,000 to ground-share at Turf Moor, a ridiculous amount of money, and that he then unveiled plan to build a new stadium for the club in the nearby town of Nelson (ironically, the club’s commercial manager during this period, the former Burnley player Paul Fletcher, went on to become one of this country’s leading stadium project managers, overseeing the construction of Huddersfield Town’s Galpharm Stadium and Coventry City’s Ricoh Arena). After this, though, it’s something of a mystery. What we know for sure is that the money seems to have very suddenly run out. The team played a pre-season friendly against Newcastle Blue Star, and after this White called the players in and told them that there was, simply, no more money and that the club was folding - they didn’t even start the competitive 1990/91 season. Holt House survived. It was used by Colne Royal British Legion FC until they in turn folded and a new club, Colne FC, was founded. Colne FC have risen to the First Division of the North West Counties League and made the semi-final of the FA Vase in 2004.

So, Bradford Park Avenue’s supporters will be looking forward to this coming season with extraordinary optimism. However, the question of why Bradford Park Avenue of the Unibond League Premier Division need a 20,000 capacity stadium has not, to my eyes, been satisfactorily answered (short of some vague marketing guff about containing the word “ambition” repeated several times over), and the twin pressures of trying to fund this and spending a lot of money on players (which they have also been doing - you don’t find yourselves installed as favourites to win a league that you have only just been promoted into for no reason, you know) could well, no matter how good or bad the intentions of Bob Blackburn are, turn out to be a castle built on sand.

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Chris Taylor July 4th, 2008 11:26 pm :

The BPA fans I’ve chatted to don’t seem to care at all that Bob Blackburn is putting the future of their club in danger. Their opinion seems to be that if the club goers bust they’ll just rebuild it from the bottom again, but the memories of buying promotion after promotion can never be taken away fro them. Which is thick, but up to them of course.

Blackburn, a man who I have very little time for both as a representative of BPA and as a person, seems to be counting on this ‘league football in five years’ pledge he made. Certainly there’s no way they can support their current spending in the non league. But you’ll excuse me for not losing any sleep over it either way.

By the way, it’s a 20,000 *minimum* capacity stadium. As pointed out in the rather excellent Boston United fanzine, impsTALK, that’s about 100 seats per fan.

JUST READ THIS LOVELY ARTICLE, AND WILL RESPOND LATER WHEN I HAVE MORE TIME TO DEDICATE TO THE AUTHOR DUE TO WORK COMMITMENTS TODAY.... laugh.gif

BOB mad.gif
Slater
QUOTE (theprisoner @ Jul 10 2008, 04:36 PM)
so there could be a similarity there.



Number six, I think its you confusing similarity's with coincidence's! Read what you posted again. I think you will find you called it a similarity not a coincidence
theprisoner
Mmh. I'll try again. Bob and Graham White having their fortunes tied up in property/ building and the upcoming ecomomic forcast being one of likely recession (as was the case with White then not being able bankroll Colne) were the possible SIMILARITIES that I was referring to. The COINSIDENCE is that you were born on the same date as Jesus. The point that I was trying to make was that there is no parallel to be drawn between the possible similarity that I was pointing out and the coinsidence of Jesus being born on your birthday. Got it now. Anyway I've got the feeling that Bob is going to respond by saying he's recession proof. But somethings in life no man can guarantee to avoid, economic downturns and death being two of them. Who'd have thought that philosophy would make a showing on the BPA forum. Not Socrates that's for sure.
Bradford native
QUOTE (theprisoner @ Jul 11 2008, 02:32 PM)
Mmh. I'll try again. Bob and Graham White having their fortunes tied up in property/ building and the upcoming ecomomic forcast being one of likely recession (as was the case with White then not being able bankroll Colne) were the possible SIMILARITIES that I was referring to. The COINSIDENCE is that you were born on the same date as Jesus. The point that I was trying to make was that there is no parallel to be drawn between the possible similarity that I was pointing out and the coinsidence of Jesus being born on your birthday. Got it now. Anyway I've got the feeling that Bob is going to respond by saying he's recession proof. But somethings in life no man can guarantee to avoid, economic downturns and death being two of them. Who'd have thought that philosophy would make a showing on the BPA forum. Not Socrates that's for sure.

Mmh. CoinCidence - is the noteworthy alignment of two or more events or circumstances without obvious causal connection.

theprisoner, maybe you could enlighten us all as to what is a coinSidence

Again, it's nice to have some people who are not that clever on the forum as well to give it a bit more of a mixture of intellects.
Robert Terwilliger
There is something very suspicious about this smear campaign against Bradford Park Avenue. You have to ask why Bradford Park Avenue? Why now?

It's not like this is the first club to have a generous benefactor and whilst some have hit the skids, most have not. Colne Dynamoes? FCS, that was nearly 20 years ago!

Just about every club in the upper echelons of the non-league games has unsustainable expenditure which is underwritten by generous fans, sometimes under the guise of sponsorship

I suspect these hit pieces are coming about because there is a new influential group of non-league fans who have no idea about the way small clubs operate and are rather jealous of the club's current high profile.

Guiseley effectively bought the FA Vase as in the late 80, early 90s, they had a couple of businessmen who put an awful lot of money into that club. When they pulled out, Guiseley went on a downward path and were overtaken by us. But I don't remember this song-and-dance about it in 1991. Most people were happy for Guiseley.

Similarly, does anyone really believe Farsley Celtic's recent success is "sustainable". This is a team who never got a promotion and for years they only ever got a three-figure gate when either BPA or Guiseley played them. Their players were ones shown the exit door by us.

Then, all of a sudden, they're able to start buying up our best players (Serrant, Crossley etc) and end up in the Conference. That was a fantastic achievement but I didn't see all this hand-wringing going on then.

And to be called Bankrupt Park Avenue by fans of Boston United? Oh the irony! Their club, having cheated its way into the football league and subsequently gone bust itself, they really don't want to be throwing stones in this direction.

Of course, everyone loved us when we knew our place.

This whole thing is very sinister.
The Parader
QUOTE (theprisoner @ Jul 11 2008, 02:32 PM)
Anyway I've got the feeling that Bob is going to respond by saying he's recession proof.

Nobody is recession proof and the way things are going its going to be the building industry which is hit the hardest. Interesting times lie ahead for owner and club
Tosh
QUOTE (The Parader @ Jul 11 2008, 03:21 PM)
Nobody is recession proof and the way things are going its going to be the building industry which is hit the hardest. Interesting times lie ahead for owner and club

Interesting times indeed do lie ahead Parader. League football in four years? Will you be coming along to Phoenix Park for the Coca Cola league two fixture between ourselves and yourselves in 2012/2013 season?????
kev
QUOTE (Tosh @ Jul 11 2008, 04:13 PM)
QUOTE (The Parader @ Jul 11 2008, 03:21 PM)
Nobody is recession proof and the way things are going its going to be the building industry which is hit the hardest. Interesting times lie ahead for owner and club

Interesting times indeed do lie ahead Parader. League football in four years? Will you be coming along to Phoenix Park for the Coca Cola league two fixture between ourselves and yourselves in 2012/2013 season?????

I will bet you that there are 90 league clubs & at least the same non league clubs who would swap our financial position for theirs.

No one can forecast the future, but what most do not understand is that we are putting the foundations in place for the future and operating to an agreed budget.

This is affordable and sustainable.

Unfortunately as with most things in life, if you are prepared to strive for success there will be people both inside & outside the club who will criticise everything.

Lets look forward to a great season and please give the club your full support.

Kev
Billy the Bantam
QUOTE (Tosh @ Jul 11 2008, 04:13 PM)
QUOTE (The Parader @ Jul 11 2008, 03:21 PM)
Nobody is recession proof and the way things are going its going to be the building industry which is hit the hardest. Interesting times lie ahead for owner and club

Interesting times indeed do lie ahead Parader. League football in four years? Will you be coming along to Phoenix Park for the Coca Cola league two fixture between ourselves and yourselves in 2012/2013 season?????

Whats the weather like on cloud cuckoo land Tosh? laugh.gif
Bluenose
This is a cracking debate. Keep it up lads. biggrin.gif
Ste the killer
It would be a big ask for us to be playing league football in just four years time but we are on the right track under the guidance of Bob thats for sure. One thing is for certain in four years time though Billy, City will still be languishing in the basement league
Billy the Bantam
Bradford P A 0 ~ 6 Bradford City (Stiffs)

Oops wrong thread! Anyone know where the prediction thread is for next Saturdays match?? laugh.gif
moonchester
QUOTE (Robert Terwilliger @ Jul 11 2008, 03:15 PM)
There is something very suspicious about this smear campaign against Bradford Park Avenue. You have to ask why Bradford Park Avenue? Why now?

It's not like this is the first club to have a generous benefactor and whilst some have hit the skids, most have not. Colne Dynamoes? FCS, that was nearly 20 years ago!

Just about every club in the upper echelons of the non-league games has unsustainable expenditure which is underwritten by generous fans, sometimes under the guise of sponsorship

I suspect these hit pieces are coming about because there is a new influential group of non-league fans who have no idea about the way small clubs operate and are rather jealous of the club's current high profile.

Guiseley effectively bought the FA Vase as in the late 80, early 90s, they had a couple of businessmen who put an awful lot of money into that club. When they pulled out, Guiseley went on a downward path and were overtaken by us. But I don't remember this song-and-dance about it in 1991. Most people were happy for Guiseley.

Similarly, does anyone really believe Farsley Celtic's recent success is "sustainable". This is a team who never got a promotion and for years they only ever got a three-figure gate when either BPA or Guiseley played them. Their players were ones shown the exit door by us.

Then, all of a sudden, they're able to start buying up our best players (Serrant, Crossley etc) and end up in the Conference. That was a fantastic achievement but I didn't see all this hand-wringing going on then.

And to be called Bankrupt Park Avenue by fans of Boston United? Oh the irony! Their club, having cheated its way into the football league and subsequently gone bust itself, they really don't want to be throwing stones in this direction.

Of course, everyone loved us when we knew our place.

This whole thing is very sinister.

an excellent post sir.

and yours kev.

what a joy to have to worry about which of our superstar players will be in the first XI of the season rather than worrying about if we'll have a first XI.

Mind...i'm still worried about ronnie...

PS... the chickens must be getting worried....we seem to have a lot of interlopers all of a sudden....
THE GENERAL
QUOTE (johnxl @ Jul 9 2008, 08:34 PM)
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Jul 3rd, 2008 | By admin | Category: Latest, The Game, non-league
In West Yorkshire, a name from the past is stirring, and it isn’t doing it in a terribly dignified manner. Bradford Park Avenue, the subjects of a fond article on here before, have starting flexing their financial muscles and have already managed get themselves instated as the favourites for this season’s Unibond League Premier Division championship, and now their millionaire chairman has announced plans to build a 20,000 seater stadium for them. Never mind the fact that Bradford’s average crowds haven’t yet risen above 500 people for home matches. Never mind the fact that their considerably bigger rivals, Bradford City, only required a capacity of a shade over 20,000 when they were in the Premier League. Never mind that the original Bradford Park Avenue collapsed in the early 1970s thanks to a lack of local interest with crowds in their final season in the Northern Premier League in 1973/74 seldom reaching more than 600. Their millionaire chairman, Bob Blackburn, has decided that they deserve a 20,000 capacity stadium, so they will have it - and he’s a millionaire, so he must be right, mustn’t he? Well, Bradford supporters are getting very excited about the possibility of their team challenging for the place in the Football League that the original club lost in 1970, but a cautionary tale from just the other side of the Pennines might just persuade their supporters to approach the future with a somewhat less devil may care attitude than they are currently exhibiting. That example is Colne Dynamoes - probably the most famous boom and bust club of all.

Colne’s story probably couldn’t be more cautionary, and it is a story that mirrors what could yet go wrong for the green and white half of Bradford. Dynamoes were founded in 1963 in the small Lancashire town near Burnley, and for more than twenty of their twenty-seven year long existence, they led a fairly meagre existence, making steady progress through the amateur leagues of Lancashire and into the Lancashire Combination in 1975. Expansion of the North West Counties League in 1982 allowed them to progress in a more senior level of the game, and by the middle of the 1980s they were starting to spend money. The money belonged to manager/chairman Graham White, who had made a fortune from timber and property, and it all went on the team. In 1988 they won the FA Vase, beating Yorkshire club Emley 1-0 at Wembley, and it was at this point that the spending went out of control. Promoted into the First Division of the Northern Premier League, they started spending more than many lower division Football League clubs could afford on players (former Liverpool and England international Alan Kennedy was the most stellar member of a new, full-time team) and won promotion to the Premier Division at the first attempt, suffering just one league defeat all season.

The following season, in spite of more outstanding appearances on the pitch (they reached the semi-final of the FA Trophy and won the NPL Premier Division championship and a place in the Conference, losing just four league matches all season and finishing twenty-six points clear of second placed Gateshead), the cracks were beginning to show. Unbeknownst to anyone at Holt House, White had recently unsuccessfully attempted to buy Burnley but, whilst crowds had swollen to an average of over 1,000, all of the money was going into spending wages (effectively money down the drain) and none of it was going into the infrastructure of the club itself. Colne’s promotion into the Conference was a classic case of too much too soon, but White seemed practically paralysed by the sudden jump up. Holt House, with only a couple of hundred seats and a capacity of just 2,500, was never going to be up to Conference standard, and the club was barred from promotion.

What happened next is open to speculation. We know that White offered Burnley £500,000 to ground-share at Turf Moor, a ridiculous amount of money, and that he then unveiled plan to build a new stadium for the club in the nearby town of Nelson (ironically, the club’s commercial manager during this period, the former Burnley player Paul Fletcher, went on to become one of this country’s leading stadium project managers, overseeing the construction of Huddersfield Town’s Galpharm Stadium and Coventry City’s Ricoh Arena). After this, though, it’s something of a mystery. What we know for sure is that the money seems to have very suddenly run out. The team played a pre-season friendly against Newcastle Blue Star, and after this White called the players in and told them that there was, simply, no more money and that the club was folding - they didn’t even start the competitive 1990/91 season. Holt House survived. It was used by Colne Royal British Legion FC until they in turn folded and a new club, Colne FC, was founded. Colne FC have risen to the First Division of the North West Counties League and made the semi-final of the FA Vase in 2004.

So, Bradford Park Avenue’s supporters will be looking forward to this coming season with extraordinary optimism. However, the question of why Bradford Park Avenue of the Unibond League Premier Division need a 20,000 capacity stadium has not, to my eyes, been satisfactorily answered (short of some vague marketing guff about containing the word “ambition” repeated several times over), and the twin pressures of trying to fund this and spending a lot of money on players (which they have also been doing - you don’t find yourselves installed as favourites to win a league that you have only just been promoted into for no reason, you know) could well, no matter how good or bad the intentions of Bob Blackburn are, turn out to be a castle built on sand.

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Chris Taylor July 4th, 2008 11:26 pm :

The BPA fans I’ve chatted to don’t seem to care at all that Bob Blackburn is putting the future of their club in danger. Their opinion seems to be that if the club goers bust they’ll just rebuild it from the bottom again, but the memories of buying promotion after promotion can never be taken away fro them. Which is thick, but up to them of course.

Blackburn, a man who I have very little time for both as a representative of BPA and as a person, seems to be counting on this ‘league football in five years’ pledge he made. Certainly there’s no way they can support their current spending in the non league. But you’ll excuse me for not losing any sleep over it either way.

By the way, it’s a 20,000 *minimum* capacity stadium. As pointed out in the rather excellent Boston United fanzine, impsTALK, that’s about 100 seats per fan.

Yawn, Yawn, Yawn, Tut, Tut , Tut The " Nameless Author & Mr Taylor " HOW DARE YOU????

Firstly i have been advised NOT to respond to this thred by True Supporters and Friends but as there is only Corrie on the tele, what the hell here goes.....

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU TO ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS MADE, PLEASE KEEP BELIEVING IN YOUR CLUB...

I shall now repond to this KRANK`S STORY the only way i know how with the contempt it deserves and return the SPIN that he has attempted to add with my own version.

When anyone or anything is fairly successful in their choosen field , you make yourself fair game to the undercarriage of society and CHEAP TRICK MERCHANTS as this is the case with the author of the story... a bit like the Hooker and the Pimp relationship.....


: LAYING THE FOUNDATIONS & BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE :

" Bradford Park Avenue, are they still on the go ? "
" I remember when my grandad used to watch them "
" They, not a sunday league team these days ? "
" I remember them when they used to play down near St Lukes Hospital, they used to get 20 thou a game "
" They were always the bigger clud over Bradford City "
" I remember Avenue, that was the first football game i ever went to watch "

These were the words on everbodies lips....

THEN ALONG CAME
"" A property developer, why does he want Park Avenue "
" Well thats obvious, he wants to build houses on our ground "
" What`s in it for him ? "
" Is he as good as his word ? "
" What happens if he leaves the club ? "

THEN, THEN, CAME ALONG
" We`ll never win this league "
" We`ll be lucky to finish in a play-off spot "
" Why have we got a load of Scouse players ? "
" Overpaid useless twats, we need a few more additions "
" Benny Philips hasn`t got a clue "

THEN,THEN,THEN CAME ALONG
" Dave Cameron, Whos he ? "
" He`s a bit young for a manager "
" He`s got no previous managers experience "

WELL NOT NO MORE !!!!!
The infrastructure and the work that goes on behind the scenes by the Board and myself is more inkeeping with a league club, the publicity that this club now gets is unrivaled in non league and will only get better !!!!! The free ticket campaign, the football celebs at the ground, the youth programme we are developing with the schools and our own 17 youth teams, the facilities the ground now has to offer and the NEW STADIUM on the horizon are just a few to mention,

Talking of the new stadium.....

Remember when you was a kid and you asked your mam for 50 pence ( knowing she only ever gave you 10, maybe 20 if you were lucky or she`d had a win on the bingo ) for some sweets or a bottle of pop, I`ll leave you all to work that one out...

THEN AND NOW CAME ALONG
" Big spending Bradford "
" A Castle getting built on sand "
" It will all end in tears "
" A likeness of Colne Dynamors "
" You`ve made yourseves 5-1 favourites"
" Bob builds houses "
" There`s a propery crash "
" Theres a recession looming "
" Even Bob`s pockets arn`t that long "
" Bob builds house and theres a property crash, what if he pulls his money "

In answer to the above comments, yes we do build houses, BUT YOU WONT SEE ANY FOR SALE !!!!

We build them for ourselves to add to our ever growing Property Portfolio, and No before you ask we are not resession proof but not far off for THREE reasons. Firstly we are a very cash and asset rich Organisation, Secondly, we " Edge " any borrowing the companies have to secure a rate indicative of the market expectations and Thirdly the property market place is like Christmas at the moment for me with house sales on the slump the positive side is that the Rental market is at an all-time high and thats what we do best..... so go buy some cheap houses and get yourselves 50% capital appreciation over the next THREE years.

There endeth the lesson so the Nameless author you keep collecting your £167.00 per week after tax and Mr Taylor, the Matron has been shouting for you for the last 30 minutes, its time for your bag emptying and your nappy changing before bed, now run along before you piss your jym-jams la, remenber its only one more sleep and your son will be along for a visit.

Thanks for listening, now i`ll carry on minding my own business and concentrate on giving Bradford ( Park Avenue ) the RESPECT & PRIDE it deserves and restoring them back into a Football League Club were they belong.....


WE WILL BE IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, IN FOUR YEARS, THAT I PROMISE.....


Kindest Regards,

The General
johnxl
Here Here.

thanks for the forthright reply Mr General.

by the way is there any progress to report on PP
THE GENERAL
QUOTE (johnxl @ Jul 11 2008, 10:17 PM)
Here Here.

thanks for the forthright reply Mr General.

by the way is there any progress to report on PP

Yes, loads John but not on here only the supporters will get to here, so if you wish to come and see me on Saturday i`ll bring you up to date...

Yours Bob
Soccerates
well said Mon General,

I so hope you do see us back where we belong. To all the supporters of other clubs who contribute on this forum as a sportsman I sincerely wish you the best of luck, [I][COLOR=green][B]because you're going to need it as the Green and White machine spank your arses this season.

There has never been a better time to be an Avenue supporter,


Up the mighty avenue
THE GENERAL
QUOTE (Soccerates @ Jul 11 2008, 10:22 PM)
well said Mon General,

I so hope you do see us back where we belong. To all the supporters of other clubs who contribute on this forum as a sportsman I sincerely wish you the best of luck, [I][COLOR=green][B]because you're going to need it as the Green and White machine spank your arses this season.

There has never been a better time to be an Avenue supporter,


Up the mighty avenue

Soccerates, thank you very much for your kind comments, they problem we have is

THAT THEY ARE ALL JEALOUS OF US, its ok knocking BPA, bet they wish they were in our position....

Hold Your Head Up High and Laugh in Their Face, enjoy the ride, im in it for the long haul despite our critics...


BB laugh.gif
red cat
QUOTE (THE GENERAL @ Jul 11 2008, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE (johnxl @ Jul 9 2008, 08:34 PM)
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Jul 3rd, 2008 | By admin | Category: Latest, The Game, non-league
In West Yorkshire, a name from the past is stirring, and it isn’t doing it in a terribly dignified manner. Bradford Park Avenue, the subjects of a fond article on here before, have starting flexing their financial muscles and have already managed get themselves instated as the favourites for this season’s Unibond League Premier Division championship, and now their millionaire chairman has announced plans to build a 20,000 seater stadium for them. Never mind the fact that Bradford’s average crowds haven’t yet risen above 500 people for home matches. Never mind the fact that their considerably bigger rivals, Bradford City, only required a capacity of a shade over 20,000 when they were in the Premier League. Never mind that the original Bradford Park Avenue collapsed in the early 1970s thanks to a lack of local interest with crowds in their final season in the Northern Premier League in 1973/74 seldom reaching more than 600. Their millionaire chairman, Bob Blackburn, has decided that they deserve a 20,000 capacity stadium, so they will have it - and he’s a millionaire, so he must be right, mustn’t he? Well, Bradford supporters are getting very excited about the possibility of their team challenging for the place in the Football League that the original club lost in 1970, but a cautionary tale from just the other side of the Pennines might just persuade their supporters to approach the future with a somewhat less devil may care attitude than they are currently exhibiting. That example is Colne Dynamoes - probably the most famous boom and bust club of all.

Colne’s story probably couldn’t be more cautionary, and it is a story that mirrors what could yet go wrong for the green and white half of Bradford. Dynamoes were founded in 1963 in the small Lancashire town near Burnley, and for more than twenty of their twenty-seven year long existence, they led a fairly meagre existence, making steady progress through the amateur leagues of Lancashire and into the Lancashire Combination in 1975. Expansion of the North West Counties League in 1982 allowed them to progress in a more senior level of the game, and by the middle of the 1980s they were starting to spend money. The money belonged to manager/chairman Graham White, who had made a fortune from timber and property, and it all went on the team. In 1988 they won the FA Vase, beating Yorkshire club Emley 1-0 at Wembley, and it was at this point that the spending went out of control. Promoted into the First Division of the Northern Premier League, they started spending more than many lower division Football League clubs could afford on players (former Liverpool and England international Alan Kennedy was the most stellar member of a new, full-time team) and won promotion to the Premier Division at the first attempt, suffering just one league defeat all season.

The following season, in spite of more outstanding appearances on the pitch (they reached the semi-final of the FA Trophy and won the NPL Premier Division championship and a place in the Conference, losing just four league matches all season and finishing twenty-six points clear of second placed Gateshead), the cracks were beginning to show. Unbeknownst to anyone at Holt House, White had recently unsuccessfully attempted to buy Burnley but, whilst crowds had swollen to an average of over 1,000, all of the money was going into spending wages (effectively money down the drain) and none of it was going into the infrastructure of the club itself. Colne’s promotion into the Conference was a classic case of too much too soon, but White seemed practically paralysed by the sudden jump up. Holt House, with only a couple of hundred seats and a capacity of just 2,500, was never going to be up to Conference standard, and the club was barred from promotion.

What happened next is open to speculation. We know that White offered Burnley £500,000 to ground-share at Turf Moor, a ridiculous amount of money, and that he then unveiled plan to build a new stadium for the club in the nearby town of Nelson (ironically, the club’s commercial manager during this period, the former Burnley player Paul Fletcher, went on to become one of this country’s leading stadium project managers, overseeing the construction of Huddersfield Town’s Galpharm Stadium and Coventry City’s Ricoh Arena). After this, though, it’s something of a mystery. What we know for sure is that the money seems to have very suddenly run out. The team played a pre-season friendly against Newcastle Blue Star, and after this White called the players in and told them that there was, simply, no more money and that the club was folding - they didn’t even start the competitive 1990/91 season. Holt House survived. It was used by Colne Royal British Legion FC until they in turn folded and a new club, Colne FC, was founded. Colne FC have risen to the First Division of the North West Counties League and made the semi-final of the FA Vase in 2004.

So, Bradford Park Avenue’s supporters will be looking forward to this coming season with extraordinary optimism. However, the question of why Bradford Park Avenue of the Unibond League Premier Division need a 20,000 capacity stadium has not, to my eyes, been satisfactorily answered (short of some vague marketing guff about containing the word “ambition” repeated several times over), and the twin pressures of trying to fund this and spending a lot of money on players (which they have also been doing - you don’t find yourselves installed as favourites to win a league that you have only just been promoted into for no reason, you know) could well, no matter how good or bad the intentions of Bob Blackburn are, turn out to be a castle built on sand.

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Chris Taylor July 4th, 2008 11:26 pm :

The BPA fans I’ve chatted to don’t seem to care at all that Bob Blackburn is putting the future of their club in danger. Their opinion seems to be that if the club goers bust they’ll just rebuild it from the bottom again, but the memories of buying promotion after promotion can never be taken away fro them. Which is thick, but up to them of course.

Blackburn, a man who I have very little time for both as a representative of BPA and as a person, seems to be counting on this ‘league football in five years’ pledge he made. Certainly there’s no way they can support their current spending in the non league. But you’ll excuse me for not losing any sleep over it either way.

By the way, it’s a 20,000 *minimum* capacity stadium. As pointed out in the rather excellent Boston United fanzine, impsTALK, that’s about 100 seats per fan.

Yawn, Yawn, Yawn, Tut, Tut , Tut The " Nameless Author & Mr Taylor " HOW DARE YOU????

Firstly i have been advised NOT to respond to this thred by True Supporters and Friends but as there is only Corrie on the tele, what the hell here goes.....

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU TO ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS MADE, PLEASE KEEP BELIEVING IN YOUR CLUB...

I shall now repond to this KRANK`S STORY the only way i know how with the contempt it deserves and return the SPIN that he has attempted to add with my own version.

When anyone or anything is fairly successful in their choosen field , you make yourself fair game to the undercarriage of society and CHEAP TRICK MERCHANTS as this is the case with the author of the story... a bit like the Hooker and the Pimp relationship.....


: LAYING THE FOUNDATIONS & BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE :

" Bradford Park Avenue, are they still on the go ? "
" I remember when my grandad used to watch them "
" They, not a sunday league team these days ? "
" I remember them when they used to play down near St Lukes Hospital, they used to get 20 thou a game "
" They were always the bigger clud over Bradford City "
" I remember Avenue, that was the first football game i ever went to watch "

These were the words on everbodies lips....

THEN ALONG CAME
"" A property developer, why does he want Park Avenue "
" Well thats obvious, he wants to build houses on our ground "
" What`s in it for him ? "
" Is he as good as his word ? "
" What happens if he leaves the club ? "

THEN, THEN, CAME ALONG
" We`ll never win this league "
" We`ll be lucky to finish in a play-off spot "
" Why have we got a load of Scouse players ? "
" Overpaid useless twats, we need a few more additions "
" Benny Philips hasn`t got a clue "

THEN,THEN,THEN CAME ALONG
" Dave Cameron, Whos he ? "
" He`s a bit young for a manager "
" He`s got no previous managers experience "

WELL NOT NO MORE !!!!!
The infrastructure and the work that goes on behind the scenes by the Board and myself is more inkeeping with a league club, the publicity that this club now gets is unrivaled in non league and will only get better !!!!! The free ticket campaign, the football celebs at the ground, the youth programme we are developing with the schools and our own 17 youth teams, the facilities the ground now has to offer and the NEW STADIUM on the horizon are just a few to mention,

Talking of the new stadium.....

Remember when you was a kid and you asked your mam for 50 pence ( knowing she only ever gave you 10, maybe 20 if you were lucky or she`d had a win on the bingo ) for some sweets or a bottle of pop, I`ll leave you all to work that one out...

THEN AND NOW CAME ALONG
" Big spending Bradford "
" A Castle getting built on sand "
" It will all end in tears "
" A likeness of Colne Dynamors "
" You`ve made yourseves 5-1 favourites"
" Bob builds houses "
" There`s a propery crash "
" Theres a recession looming "
" Even Bob`s pockets arn`t that long "
" Bob builds house and theres a property crash, what if he pulls his money "

In answer to the above comments, yes we do build houses, BUT YOU WONT SEE ANY FOR SALE !!!!

We build them for ourselves to add to our ever growing Property Portfolio, and No before you ask we are not resession proof but not far off for THREE reasons. Firstly we are a very cash and asset rich Organisation, Secondly, we " Edge " any borrowing the companies have to secure a rate indicative of the market expectations and Thirdly the property market place is like Christmas at the moment for me with house sales on the slump the positive side is that the Rental market is at an all-time high and thats what we do best..... so go buy some cheap houses and get yourselves 50% capital appreciation over the next THREE years.

There endeth the lesson so the Nameless author you keep collecting your £167.00 per week after tax and Mr Taylor, the Matron has been shouting for you for the last 30 minutes, its time for your bag emptying and your nappy changing before bed, now run along before you piss your jym-jams la, remenber its only one more sleep and your son will be along for a visit.

Thanks for listening, now i`ll carry on minding my own business and concentrate on giving Bradford ( Park Avenue ) the RESPECT & PRIDE it deserves and restoring them back into a Football League Club were they belong.....


WE WILL BE IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, IN FOUR YEARS, THAT I PROMISE.....


Kindest Regards,

The General

[SIZE=14]Cuckoo! wacko.gif
johnxl
QUOTE (THE GENERAL @ Jul 11 2008, 11:21 PM)
QUOTE (johnxl @ Jul 11 2008, 10:17 PM)
Here Here.

thanks for the forthright reply Mr General.

by the way is there any progress to report on PP

Yes, loads John but not on here only the supporters will get to here, so if you wish to come and see me on Saturday i`ll bring you up to date...

Yours Bob

cant make it Saturday unfortunately,on a stag do at Chester races,but will be there for the game against Manningham,hope to speak to you then.
Bluenose
QUOTE (ackworth avenue @ Jul 10 2008, 01:24 PM)
Oi Bluenose, If we end up in the Football League great! If we end up in Unibond First Div again well what have we lost? I will still follow them home and away but while things are on the up i will enjoy myself and all the moaning minnies who are seething with envy at other clubs can go and do one. I am not interested in what they think. I am sure that all these other Unibond League Supporters would tell a millionaire who wanted to invest in their club to get lost. I think not. Bob Blackburn has been the best thing to happen to this club for years, we were going nowhere before he came here. We have had more exposure in the Press and local community in the last 12 months than since god knows when. So to whoever it may concern, mind your own business leave us alone and let us enjoy the ride!

Let me get this straight !!! BPA win the title in May, and you join this forum on 16th June. Sounds to me like you are a Johny come lately jump on the bandwagon part time supporter. How many BPA games did you see last season ? and at what end of the ground did BPA score the goal in the 1-0 win at Skem, and just for good luck, Who scored the goal ?

One more for you !!! Who was Ronnie trying to chat up in the Skem club house before the game, and how many fellas were sitting at his table ? biggrin.gif
Soccerates
Bluenose, you started posting on here as a Skem supporter (hence the blue). Now you have jumped on the FC Replica Shirt bandwagon. Its a bit rich pal!
The Irish Rover
[QUOTE=THE GENERAL,Jul 11 2008, 09:50 PM][/QUOTE]
Yawn, Yawn, Yawn, Tut, Tut , Tut The " Nameless Author & Mr Taylor " HOW DARE YOU????

Firstly i have been advised NOT to respond to this thred by True Supporters and Friends but as there is only Corrie on the tele, what the hell here goes.....

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU TO ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS MADE, PLEASE KEEP BELIEVING IN YOUR CLUB...

I shall now repond to this KRANK`S STORY the only way i know how with the contempt it deserves and return the SPIN that he has attempted to add with my own version.

When anyone or anything is fairly successful in their choosen field , you make yourself fair game to the undercarriage of society and CHEAP TRICK MERCHANTS as this is the case with the author of the story... a bit like the Hooker and the Pimp relationship.....


: LAYING THE FOUNDATIONS & BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE :

" Bradford Park Avenue, are they still on the go ? "
" I remember when my grandad used to watch them "
" They, not a sunday league team these days ? "
" I remember them when they used to play down near St Lukes Hospital, they used to get 20 thou a game "
" They were always the bigger clud over Bradford City "
" I remember Avenue, that was the first football game i ever went to watch "

These were the words on everbodies lips....

THEN ALONG CAME
"" A property developer, why does he want Park Avenue "
" Well thats obvious, he wants to build houses on our ground "
" What`s in it for him ? "
" Is he as good as his word ? "
" What happens if he leaves the club ? "

THEN, THEN, CAME ALONG
" We`ll never win this league "
" We`ll be lucky to finish in a play-off spot "
" Why have we got a load of Scouse players ? "
" Overpaid useless twats, we need a few more additions "
" Benny Philips hasn`t got a clue "

THEN,THEN,THEN CAME ALONG
" Dave Cameron, Whos he ? "
" He`s a bit young for a manager "
" He`s got no previous managers experience "

WELL NOT NO MORE !!!!!
The infrastructure and the work that goes on behind the scenes by the Board and myself is more inkeeping with a league club, the publicity that this club now gets is unrivaled in non league and will only get better !!!!! The free ticket campaign, the football celebs at the ground, the youth programme we are developing with the schools and our own 17 youth teams, the facilities the ground now has to offer and the NEW STADIUM on the horizon are just a few to mention,

Talking of the new stadium.....

Remember when you was a kid and you asked your mam for 50 pence ( knowing she only ever gave you 10, maybe 20 if you were lucky or she`d had a win on the bingo ) for some sweets or a bottle of pop, I`ll leave you all to work that one out...

THEN AND NOW CAME ALONG
" Big spending Bradford "
" A Castle getting built on sand "
" It will all end in tears "
" A likeness of Colne Dynamors "
" You`ve made yourseves 5-1 favourites"
" Bob builds houses "
" There`s a propery crash "
" Theres a recession looming "
" Even Bob`s pockets arn`t that long "
" Bob builds house and theres a property crash, what if he pulls his money "

In answer to the above comments, yes we do build houses, BUT YOU WONT SEE ANY FOR SALE !!!!

We build them for ourselves to add to our ever growing Property Portfolio, and No before you ask we are not resession proof but not far off for THREE reasons. Firstly we are a very cash and asset rich Organisation, Secondly, we " Edge " any borrowing the companies have to secure a rate indicative of the market expectations and Thirdly the property market place is like Christmas at the moment for me with house sales on the slump the positive side is that the Rental market is at an all-time high and thats what we do best..... so go buy some cheap houses and get yourselves 50% capital appreciation over the next THREE years.

There endeth the lesson so the Nameless author you keep collecting your £167.00 per week after tax and Mr Taylor, the Matron has been shouting for you for the last 30 minutes, its time for your bag emptying and your nappy changing before bed, now run along before you piss your jym-jams la, remenber its only one more sleep and your son will be along for a visit.

Thanks for listening, now i`ll carry on minding my own business and concentrate on giving Bradford ( Park Avenue ) the RESPECT & PRIDE it deserves and restoring them back into a Football League Club were they belong.....


WE WILL BE IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, IN FOUR YEARS, THAT I PROMISE.....


Kindest Regards,

The General[/QUOTE]











Possibly the best post ever made by BB on here, certainly one of the most informative you've made bob.


Can't make the game today but am looking forward to thrashing a Manningham eleven next week when i can be there to laugh my socks off at Bradford's 2nd team. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Hope the weather stays ok for the macclesfield game.

Rob.
theprisoner
QUOTE
In answer to the above comments, yes we do build houses, BUT YOU WONT SEE ANY FOR SALE !!!!

We build them for ourselves to add to our ever growing Property Portfolio, and No before you ask we are not resession proof but not far off for THREE reasons. Firstly we are a very cash and asset rich Organisation, Secondly, we " Edge " any borrowing the companies have to secure a rate indicative of the market expectations and Thirdly the property market place is like Christmas at the moment for me with house sales on the slump the positive side is that the Rental market is at an all-time high and thats what we do best..... so go buy some cheap houses and get yourselves 50% capital appreciation over the next THREE years.


Well this bit was informative anyway. The rest wasn't necessary. But thanks Mr Blackburn for giving a reassuring answer to what I think was a reasonable question relating to the financial security of avenue. I sometimes think that even healthy caution and thoughtfulness can be too easily read as criticism by many people on this forum. I hope that as a businessman Mr Blackburn you can appreciate that it's reasonable for people to want to know the full picture.
south bradford
QUOTE (The Irish Rover @ Jul 12 2008, 08:58 AM)
[QUOTE=THE GENERAL,Jul 11 2008, 09:50 PM][/QUOTE]
Yawn, Yawn, Yawn, Tut, Tut , Tut The " Nameless Author & Mr Taylor " HOW DARE YOU????

Firstly i have been advised NOT to respond to this thred by True Supporters and Friends but as there is only Corrie on the tele, what the hell here goes.....

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU TO ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS MADE, PLEASE KEEP BELIEVING IN YOUR CLUB...

I shall now repond to this KRANK`S STORY the only way i know how with the contempt it deserves and return the SPIN that he has attempted to add with my own version.

When anyone or anything is fairly successful in their choosen field , you make yourself fair game to the undercarriage of society and CHEAP TRICK MERCHANTS as this is the case with the author of the story... a bit like the Hooker and the Pimp relationship.....


: LAYING THE FOUNDATIONS & BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE :

" Bradford Park Avenue, are they still on the go ? "
" I remember when my grandad used to watch them "
" They, not a sunday league team these days ? "
" I remember them when they used to play down near St Lukes Hospital, they used to get 20 thou a game "
" They were always the bigger clud over Bradford City "
" I remember Avenue, that was the first football game i ever went to watch "

These were the words on everbodies lips....

THEN ALONG CAME
"" A property developer, why does he want Park Avenue "
" Well thats obvious, he wants to build houses on our ground "
" What`s in it for him ? "
" Is he as good as his word ? "
" What happens if he leaves the club ? "

THEN, THEN, CAME ALONG
" We`ll never win this league "
" We`ll be lucky to finish in a play-off spot "
" Why have we got a load of Scouse players ? "
" Overpaid useless twats, we need a few more additions "
" Benny Philips hasn`t got a clue "

THEN,THEN,THEN CAME ALONG
" Dave Cameron, Whos he ? "
" He`s a bit young for a manager "
" He`s got no previous managers experience "

WELL NOT NO MORE !!!!!
The infrastructure and the work that goes on behind the scenes by the Board and myself is more inkeeping with a league club, the publicity that this club now gets is unrivaled in non league and will only get better !!!!! The free ticket campaign, the football celebs at the ground, the youth programme we are developing with the schools and our own 17 youth teams, the facilities the ground now has to offer and the NEW STADIUM on the horizon are just a few to mention,

Talking of the new stadium.....

Remember when you was a kid and you asked your mam for 50 pence ( knowing she only ever gave you 10, maybe 20 if you were lucky or she`d had a win on the bingo ) for some sweets or a bottle of pop, I`ll leave you all to work that one out...

THEN AND NOW CAME ALONG
" Big spending Bradford "
" A Castle getting built on sand "
" It will all end in tears "
" A likeness of Colne Dynamors "
" You`ve made yourseves 5-1 favourites"
" Bob builds houses "
" There`s a propery crash "
" Theres a recession looming "
" Even Bob`s pockets arn`t that long "
" Bob builds house and theres a property crash, what if he pulls his money "

In answer to the above comments, yes we do build houses, BUT YOU WONT SEE ANY FOR SALE !!!!

We build them for ourselves to add to our ever growing Property Portfolio, and No before you ask we are not resession proof but not far off for THREE reasons. Firstly we are a very cash and asset rich Organisation, Secondly, we " Edge " any borrowing the companies have to secure a rate indicative of the market expectations and Thirdly the property market place is like Christmas at the moment for me with house sales on the slump the positive side is that the Rental market is at an all-time high and thats what we do best..... so go buy some cheap houses and get yourselves 50% capital appreciation over the next THREE years.

There endeth the lesson so the Nameless author you keep collecting your £167.00 per week after tax and Mr Taylor, the Matron has been shouting for you for the last 30 minutes, its time for your bag emptying and your nappy changing before bed, now run along before you piss your jym-jams la, remenber its only one more sleep and your son will be along for a visit.

Thanks for listening, now i`ll carry on minding my own business and concentrate on giving Bradford ( Park Avenue ) the RESPECT & PRIDE it deserves and restoring them back into a Football League Club were they belong.....


WE WILL BE IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, IN FOUR YEARS, THAT I PROMISE.....


Kindest Regards,

The General[/QUOTE]











Possibly the best post ever made by BB on here, certainly one of the most informative you've made bob.


Can't make the game today but am looking forward to thrashing a Manningham eleven next week when i can be there to laugh my socks off at Bradford's 2nd team. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Hope the weather stays ok for the macclesfield game.

Rob.

now then lets not get carried away. Bradford city will probably send their third team to avenue next saturday and lets face it, bradford's premier club at valley parade will be in a division higher come this time next year.
kev54
QUOTE (south bradford @ Jul 12 2008, 05:33 PM)

Rob. [/QUOTE]
now then lets not get carried away. Bradford city will probably send their third team to avenue next saturday and lets face it, bradford's premier club at valley parade will be in a division higher come this time next year.

I understand the agreement is that Bradford City will be sending their strongest team next Saturday.
tonygreaves
This is all very interesting indeed.

QUOTE
" I remember them when they used to play down near St Lukes Hospital, they used to get 20 thou a game "


A bit exaggerated, at least since I was born (in St Lukes as it happens). I can only remember one crowd over 20,000, for a derby with Bradford City (?22,888 from memory?) and it was a bit full that day.

My Dad was at the all time record (wartime match against Blackpool - ?about 34000 ??) He was standing at the Bradford end, said it was full when he arrived at the top of the terrace, ended up half-way down and couldn't put his hands in his pockets it was all packed so tight.

Anyway I shall again be cheering on the team from afar this season. Good luck to everyone.

Tony Greaves
Bluenose
QUOTE (Soccerates @ Jul 12 2008, 07:42 AM)
Bluenose, you started posting on here as a Skem supporter (hence the blue). Now you have jumped on the FC Replica Shirt bandwagon. Its a bit rich pal!

Tut tut mon Socrates. I am only a Skem Utd supporter for as long as my son plays for them. I will always be a Liverpool FC supporter as are all of my sons. AFC Liverpool did not exist when I joined this forum, and as for jumping on the bandwagon !!! I am a founding member of AFC Liverpool and have contributed to the club financially. I actually joined this forum because I could see from last season that BPA were going to be in with a strong shout for the Unibond first division title and was interested in gauging your opinions on how the Unibond was going to pan out. I love football at all levels and have to admit that the past two seasons watching Unibond football has given me as much pleasure as watching Liverpool FC win 5 European cups. I seen my son score two goals against BPA last season dispite him being a centre back and watched him in the play off final against FC United. Skem lost, but there was no prouder man in the ground than me. Just because a person pays to go and watch three teams does not make him any less a supporter than a person that supports one. I have paid my dues to Liverpool FC supporting them for over 40 years, before they ever won any cups European or domestic, but I can see fan owned clubs are the way foreward and am proud to be part of the revolution.
Reds fan
QUOTE (THE GENERAL @ Jul 11 2008, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE (johnxl @ Jul 9 2008, 08:34 PM)
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Jul 3rd, 2008 | By admin | Category: Latest, The Game, non-league
In West Yorkshire, a name from the past is stirring, and it isn’t doing it in a terribly dignified manner. Bradford Park Avenue, the subjects of a fond article on here before, have starting flexing their financial muscles and have already managed get themselves instated as the favourites for this season’s Unibond League Premier Division championship, and now their millionaire chairman has announced plans to build a 20,000 seater stadium for them. Never mind the fact that Bradford’s average crowds haven’t yet risen above 500 people for home matches. Never mind the fact that their considerably bigger rivals, Bradford City, only required a capacity of a shade over 20,000 when they were in the Premier League. Never mind that the original Bradford Park Avenue collapsed in the early 1970s thanks to a lack of local interest with crowds in their final season in the Northern Premier League in 1973/74 seldom reaching more than 600. Their millionaire chairman, Bob Blackburn, has decided that they deserve a 20,000 capacity stadium, so they will have it - and he’s a millionaire, so he must be right, mustn’t he? Well, Bradford supporters are getting very excited about the possibility of their team challenging for the place in the Football League that the original club lost in 1970, but a cautionary tale from just the other side of the Pennines might just persuade their supporters to approach the future with a somewhat less devil may care attitude than they are currently exhibiting. That example is Colne Dynamoes - probably the most famous boom and bust club of all.

Colne’s story probably couldn’t be more cautionary, and it is a story that mirrors what could yet go wrong for the green and white half of Bradford. Dynamoes were founded in 1963 in the small Lancashire town near Burnley, and for more than twenty of their twenty-seven year long existence, they led a fairly meagre existence, making steady progress through the amateur leagues of Lancashire and into the Lancashire Combination in 1975. Expansion of the North West Counties League in 1982 allowed them to progress in a more senior level of the game, and by the middle of the 1980s they were starting to spend money. The money belonged to manager/chairman Graham White, who had made a fortune from timber and property, and it all went on the team. In 1988 they won the FA Vase, beating Yorkshire club Emley 1-0 at Wembley, and it was at this point that the spending went out of control. Promoted into the First Division of the Northern Premier League, they started spending more than many lower division Football League clubs could afford on players (former Liverpool and England international Alan Kennedy was the most stellar member of a new, full-time team) and won promotion to the Premier Division at the first attempt, suffering just one league defeat all season.

The following season, in spite of more outstanding appearances on the pitch (they reached the semi-final of the FA Trophy and won the NPL Premier Division championship and a place in the Conference, losing just four league matches all season and finishing twenty-six points clear of second placed Gateshead), the cracks were beginning to show. Unbeknownst to anyone at Holt House, White had recently unsuccessfully attempted to buy Burnley but, whilst crowds had swollen to an average of over 1,000, all of the money was going into spending wages (effectively money down the drain) and none of it was going into the infrastructure of the club itself. Colne’s promotion into the Conference was a classic case of too much too soon, but White seemed practically paralysed by the sudden jump up. Holt House, with only a couple of hundred seats and a capacity of just 2,500, was never going to be up to Conference standard, and the club was barred from promotion.

What happened next is open to speculation. We know that White offered Burnley £500,000 to ground-share at Turf Moor, a ridiculous amount of money, and that he then unveiled plan to build a new stadium for the club in the nearby town of Nelson (ironically, the club’s commercial manager during this period, the former Burnley player Paul Fletcher, went on to become one of this country’s leading stadium project managers, overseeing the construction of Huddersfield Town’s Galpharm Stadium and Coventry City’s Ricoh Arena). After this, though, it’s something of a mystery. What we know for sure is that the money seems to have very suddenly run out. The team played a pre-season friendly against Newcastle Blue Star, and after this White called the players in and told them that there was, simply, no more money and that the club was folding - they didn’t even start the competitive 1990/91 season. Holt House survived. It was used by Colne Royal British Legion FC until they in turn folded and a new club, Colne FC, was founded. Colne FC have risen to the First Division of the North West Counties League and made the semi-final of the FA Vase in 2004.

So, Bradford Park Avenue’s supporters will be looking forward to this coming season with extraordinary optimism. However, the question of why Bradford Park Avenue of the Unibond League Premier Division need a 20,000 capacity stadium has not, to my eyes, been satisfactorily answered (short of some vague marketing guff about containing the word “ambition” repeated several times over), and the twin pressures of trying to fund this and spending a lot of money on players (which they have also been doing - you don’t find yourselves installed as favourites to win a league that you have only just been promoted into for no reason, you know) could well, no matter how good or bad the intentions of Bob Blackburn are, turn out to be a castle built on sand.

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Chris Taylor July 4th, 2008 11:26 pm :

The BPA fans I’ve chatted to don’t seem to care at all that Bob Blackburn is putting the future of their club in danger. Their opinion seems to be that if the club goers bust they’ll just rebuild it from the bottom again, but the memories of buying promotion after promotion can never be taken away fro them. Which is thick, but up to them of course.

Blackburn, a man who I have very little time for both as a representative of BPA and as a person, seems to be counting on this ‘league football in five years’ pledge he made. Certainly there’s no way they can support their current spending in the non league. But you’ll excuse me for not losing any sleep over it either way.

By the way, it’s a 20,000 *minimum* capacity stadium. As pointed out in the rather excellent Boston United fanzine, impsTALK, that’s about 100 seats per fan.

Yawn, Yawn, Yawn, Tut, Tut , Tut The " Nameless Author & Mr Taylor " HOW DARE YOU????

Firstly i have been advised NOT to respond to this thred by True Supporters and Friends but as there is only Corrie on the tele, what the hell here goes.....

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU TO ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS MADE, PLEASE KEEP BELIEVING IN YOUR CLUB...

I shall now repond to this KRANK`S STORY the only way i know how with the contempt it deserves and return the SPIN that he has attempted to add with my own version.

When anyone or anything is fairly successful in their choosen field , you make yourself fair game to the undercarriage of society and CHEAP TRICK MERCHANTS as this is the case with the author of the story... a bit like the Hooker and the Pimp relationship.....


: LAYING THE FOUNDATIONS & BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE :

" Bradford Park Avenue, are they still on the go ? "
" I remember when my grandad used to watch them "
" They, not a sunday league team these days ? "
" I remember them when they used to play down near St Lukes Hospital, they used to get 20 thou a game "
" They were always the bigger clud over Bradford City "
" I remember Avenue, that was the first football game i ever went to watch "

These were the words on everbodies lips....

THEN ALONG CAME
"" A property developer, why does he want Park Avenue "
" Well thats obvious, he wants to build houses on our ground "
" What`s in it for him ? "
" Is he as good as his word ? "
" What happens if he leaves the club ? "

THEN, THEN, CAME ALONG
" We`ll never win this league "
" We`ll be lucky to finish in a play-off spot "
" Why have we got a load of Scouse players ? "
" Overpaid useless twats, we need a few more additions "
" Benny Philips hasn`t got a clue "

THEN,THEN,THEN CAME ALONG
" Dave Cameron, Whos he ? "
" He`s a bit young for a manager "
" He`s got no previous managers experience "

WELL NOT NO MORE !!!!!
The infrastructure and the work that goes on behind the scenes by the Board and myself is more inkeeping with a league club, the publicity that this club now gets is unrivaled in non league and will only get better !!!!! The free ticket campaign, the football celebs at the ground, the youth programme we are developing with the schools and our own 17 youth teams, the facilities the ground now has to offer and the NEW STADIUM on the horizon are just a few to mention,

Talking of the new stadium.....

Remember when you was a kid and you asked your mam for 50 pence ( knowing she only ever gave you 10, maybe 20 if you were lucky or she`d had a win on the bingo ) for some sweets or a bottle of pop, I`ll leave you all to work that one out...

THEN AND NOW CAME ALONG
" Big spending Bradford "
" A Castle getting built on sand "
" It will all end in tears "
" A likeness of Colne Dynamors "
" You`ve made yourseves 5-1 favourites"
" Bob builds houses "
" There`s a propery crash "
" Theres a recession looming "
" Even Bob`s pockets arn`t that long "
" Bob builds house and theres a property crash, what if he pulls his money "

In answer to the above comments, yes we do build houses, BUT YOU WONT SEE ANY FOR SALE !!!!

We build them for ourselves to add to our ever growing Property Portfolio, and No before you ask we are not resession proof but not far off for THREE reasons. Firstly we are a very cash and asset rich Organisation, Secondly, we " Edge " any borrowing the companies have to secure a rate indicative of the market expectations and Thirdly the property market place is like Christmas at the moment for me with house sales on the slump the positive side is that the Rental market is at an all-time high and thats what we do best..... so go buy some cheap houses and get yourselves 50% capital appreciation over the next THREE years.

There endeth the lesson so the Nameless author you keep collecting your £167.00 per week after tax and Mr Taylor, the Matron has been shouting for you for the last 30 minutes, its time for your bag emptying and your nappy changing before bed, now run along before you piss your jym-jams la, remenber its only one more sleep and your son will be along for a visit.

Thanks for listening, now i`ll carry on minding my own business and concentrate on giving Bradford ( Park Avenue ) the RESPECT & PRIDE it deserves and restoring them back into a Football League Club were they belong.....


WE WILL BE IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, IN FOUR YEARS, THAT I PROMISE.....


Kindest Regards,

The General

Obviously not a big Corrie fan then BB? You probably missed the 8.30 episode and Big Brother. laugh.gif
One_Iota
QUOTE (THE GENERAL @ Jul 11 2008, 10:35 PM)
QUOTE (Soccerates @ Jul 11 2008, 10:22 PM)
well said Mon General,

I so hope you do see us back where we belong. To all the supporters of other clubs who contribute on this forum as a sportsman I sincerely wish you the best of luck, [I][COLOR=green][B]because you're going to need it as the Green and White machine spank your arses this season.

There has never been a better time to be an Avenue supporter,


Up the mighty avenue

Soccerates, thank you very much for your kind comments, they problem we have is

THAT THEY ARE ALL JEALOUS OF US, its ok knocking BPA, bet they wish they were in our position....

Hold Your Head Up High and Laugh in Their Face, enjoy the ride, im in it for the long haul despite our critics...


BB laugh.gif

Jealous!!

I've just popped a kidney I've laughed so much!!

The entertainment value from Bob and His sycophants is a pleasure to behold.

cotswold steve
Gents lets just get on with supporting Avenue treat the anti Avenue drivel with the contempt it deserves. Please forget the manningham p"*%s drivel i can remember a club not to long ago who spent far more than they could afford and fell from the premier league to the lower reaches of div 3 like a stone. I think a Mr Richmond was in charge of the debacle now what was thier name !.
Adam-BUFC
QUOTE (christiansinclair @ Jul 10 2008, 01:55 PM)
QUOTE (Bluenose @ Jul 10 2008, 01:02 PM)
As a neutral I found that article very interesting reading. The responses of people here are very alarming simply for the fact that they didn't address any of the issues that the article brought up. I feel BPA supporters are burying their heads in the sands. How can BPA maintain the rise up the leagues with the paltry amount of support they are going to be getting from the local community ? BB,s pockets are only so long, and even he won't be able subsidise BPA for too long. When the well dries up the club will sink.

Attendance wise, Avenue have massive potential due to the size of Bradford itself. We proved last season that over 1000 people are willing to coem watch us and I remember having a game where the attendance was just over 600 and it wasn't a free ticket game so they all paid. 20,000 seater stadium is something i think was just said to impress the media, IMHO I expect the new stadium to be somewhere in the region of 6,000 capacity with room for expansion. The bottom line is, Avenue is a sleeping giant that's looks liek its waking up.

Massive potential = over 1,000 people willing to watch you when you're winning a league? laugh.gif The only gate you got above 1,000 was when you played FCUM, and over half the crowd was probably their fans!

It is totally unsustainable for a club that gets excited about four figure gates to be in the Football League and frankly I'd be a bit worried about your chairman's claim of League football in four years if I were you. It's absolute insanity.
Robert Terwilliger
...and exactly why, first time poster Adam, would any of this possibly matter to you?

No, really, please tell me. I'm fascinated about the reasons for this sudden concern.
Soul Intent
Adam, Bradford is the 11th biggest city in the country without counting surrounding areas. People will go and watch successful football no matter what. The fan base has been there before for the club. Why can't it be there again?
moonchester
QUOTE (Adam-BUFC @ Jul 18 2008, 07:47 PM)
The only gate you got above 1,000 was when you played FCUM, and over half the crowd was probably their fans!

It is totally unsustainable for a club that gets excited about four figure gates to be in the Football League and frankly I'd be a bit worried about your chairman's claim of League football in four years if I were you. It's absolute insanity.

"The only gate you got above 1,000 was when you played FCUM, and over half the crowd was probably their fans!"

mmm, wrong

but thanks for dropping by and showing your concern. perhaps you could show us the Boston United, completely legal and sustainable way, of getting in the football league? and then ending up in the same division as a pub team like us?

thanks x
Jez
QUOTE (Adam-BUFC @ Jul 18 2008, 07:47 PM)
QUOTE (christiansinclair @ Jul 10 2008, 01:55 PM)
QUOTE (Bluenose @ Jul 10 2008, 01:02 PM)
As a neutral I found that article very interesting reading. The responses of people here are very alarming simply for the fact that they didn't address any of the issues that the article brought up. I feel BPA supporters are burying their heads in the sands. How can BPA maintain the rise up the leagues with the paltry amount of support they are going to be getting from the local community ? BB,s pockets are only so long, and even he won't be able subsidise BPA for too long. When the well dries up the club will sink.

Attendance wise, Avenue have massive potential due to the size of Bradford itself. We proved last season that over 1000 people are willing to coem watch us and I remember having a game where the attendance was just over 600 and it wasn't a free ticket game so they all paid. 20,000 seater stadium is something i think was just said to impress the media, IMHO I expect the new stadium to be somewhere in the region of 6,000 capacity with room for expansion. The bottom line is, Avenue is a sleeping giant that's looks liek its waking up.

Massive potential = over 1,000 people willing to watch you when you're winning a league? laugh.gif The only gate you got above 1,000 was when you played FCUM, and over half the crowd was probably their fans!

It is totally unsustainable for a club that gets excited about four figure gates to be in the Football League and frankly I'd be a bit worried about your chairman's claim of League football in four years if I were you. It's absolute insanity.

Think you'll find we got over a thousand for the ossett albion game as well and averaged over 500.

We do have a different level of potential to most clubs at this level as there are still at least 3-4 thousand ex avenue supporters out there in Bradford who are not watching the reformed club.

Everyone will know someone who used to support avenue but has not connected with the new club, if we get more of these back their families tend to follow.
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